Let’s Talk About Hijab: Through the Eyes of Children

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Let’s Talk About Hijab: Through the Eyes of Children

Today’s post in the Let’s Talk about Hijab series comes from J.R. Goudeau, yet another internet friend, introduced through an internet friend…Someday I will have to leave this small country and meet these fabulous women in person. J.R. blogs at Love is What You Do and doesn’t shy away from deep, think-ful topics. Every time I read a post I feel challenged and changed, including this one. The journey she shares is one adults are often unable to articulate or too proud to confess, and it is beautiful.

photo by Pari Ali, thankful for her willingness to share her pictures

photo by Pari Ali, thankful for her willingness to share her pictures

I understood in theory that it might be difficult for a woman who wears hijab to live out her daily life in a culture that doesn’t understand her choices, but it was not until I became friends with a group of Iraqi refugee women in Austin a few years ago that I began to see how hard it truly is. I cannot say that I understand the difficulties and I want to be clear that, unlike many of the fantastic writers in this series, I am not writing from first-hand experience.

I am writing as an outsider and as a friend. And I am not addressing women who wear the hijab, but other people who are around them, other outsiders, other potential friends. My story is simple: my children were changed by women who patiently helped them see past their differences.

But we didn’t start off that way.

I work with a group of Burmese refugee women in an apartment complex near downtown Austin. Over time, several other refugees moved into the area and we began to hang out with them and their children. There were refugees from Afghanistan, Cuba, Somalia, Nepal, Burundi and Iraq. It was like a small United Nations when the kids played pick-up soccer. For several years, our non-profit and others rented an apartment and offered tutoring and other community service programs in the apartment complex.

We never knew who would walk in next. My co-founder Caren and I are raising kids in what seems to be an unorthodox way (at least in our little corner of the world). Our kids have been exposed to all kinds of people from a variety of backgrounds. We talk about skin color, hair color, eye color, cultural differences. Our oldest kids are the same age and together they’ve eaten spicy noodles, Cuban cookies and Nepali tea. It’s what’s normal for them.

Which makes the cultural faux pas that happened one night when they were three so particularly terrible to us.

A woman walked in to meet us; she had been a translator for the U.S. army and she was coming to the community center to see if we could help her revamp her resume. She was wearing a dark hijab and a dark dress. We were chatting and asking questions about her cute little girl and her new apartment.

My husband heard the little three-year-olds whispering as they pointed at the woman. He managed to catch our daughter but not my friend Caren’s daughter.

With all her three-year-old bounce, she ran up to our new friend and said in a bright little voice, “You’re a witch!”

We could have died.

The woman handled it beautifully. She leaned down and got on the little girl’s level and talked sweetly and calmly about her hijab. Caren knelt as well, gently explaining that we don’t use that word, that our friend was wearing a dark dress, that she was not a witch.

Her daughter, confused, seemed to get it finally. She nodded sagely. “Oh, so you’re a FRIENDLY witch.”

We’ve laughed about that story since then; our friend lived in the apartment complex for a year before moving on to another place. She was gracious and sweet about the whole thing. It was a childish moment, as bad as anything little kids say when they’re first learning about the differences between people. (And to be clear, my husband was having the same talk with our daughter in the other room—they both said it, he just caught her faster than Caren’s daughter.)

Their reaction shows, I think, the way Western kids, at least the ones in my life, are often conditioned to view people who are different from them as bad or evil or Other. In our girls’ lives, the ideas they associated with a long dark dress and dark hijab came from the depictions of “evil” characters in Snow White, The Wizard of Oz and other movies where the witch is dressed in dark colors. At three it was understandable, even if it was horrifying to their parents. And we are working like crazy to overcome those prejudices in the lives of our own children.

It was another woman, whom I’ll call Noori, who truly made a difference for our girls. During our weekly meetings with the Burmese refugee artisans, we hired Noori, who was also an Iraqi refugee, to babysit the kids. Week after week, Noori walked in wearing her hijab and loved on our children. Our daughters had a lot of questions at first, but it soon became Noori’s hijab became normal. They were much more concerned with whether she brought markers or glitter for her to play with.

Once we were shopping at Lowe’s and the woman who checked us out was wearing a hijab. I expected my girls to say something. The oldest got thoughtful, which is usually the sign she’s about to burst out with something inappropriate, but we made it all the way out of the store without her saying anything. Later, in the car, she brought it up.

“Mommy, that woman wore the cloth on her head that Noori wears.”

“You’re right, she did,” I said. “It’s called a hijab.” I was ready to talk about religious differences or cultural practices, but I was waited to hear her response.

She was quiet for a minute more. “I love Noori.”

To me, it was the perfect response. I love how Noori has changed my kids’ perceptions by being herself.

It’s a small example; I have seen much worse things happen to my Iraqi and Somali friends. People regularly assume these gorgeous, intelligent, brave women are repressed or terrorists or ignorant. As their friend, I am indignant. I also admire them immensely. I cannot imagine the gumption it sometimes takes to wear the hijab in Austin.

But I can say, by being themselves, I think they are quietly changing perceptions.

By loving Noori, by playing hopscotch and jumping rope and coloring with Noori’s kids, our children have learned a lot at a young age. And I am deeply grateful for my Iraqi friends’ patience in not dismissing our kids but loving them despite their frank reaction.

I admire and respect any woman or man who chooses to show their devotion to God through their habits and clothing and life choices. And I suspect that our small story demonstrates a universal truth: being friends with people makes it difficult to objectify them. Perhaps the answer for most Westerners, before judging, is to seek out and listen to women who have good stories and compelling reasons for the choices they have made.

At least for me, that worked out pretty well.

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J.R. Goudeau is the Executive Director and co-founder of Hill Country Hill Tribers, as well as a grad student in English literature. When she’s supposed to be working on her dissertation, she can usually be found writing about books, babies and Burmese refugees atloveiswhatyoudo.com or on twitter


Other Posts in the Series:

Let’s Talk about  Hijab

Why Doesn’t Your Wife Wear Hijab? by Anita Dualeh

Hijab: Definitions

Hijab: the Universal Struggle by Pari Ali

Asking the Right Questions by Afia R. Fitriati

By |March 26th, 2013|Categories: Faith, Islam|Tags: , , , |12 Comments


  1. Afia March 26, 2013 at 11:30 am - Reply

    Exactly. Thank you for writing this beautiful post, J.R. :’)

  2. Marilyn March 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm - Reply

    I love.love this post. Thanks for your honesty. When we lived in Cairo our kids baby sitter was Egyptian, and a devout Muslim, never seen without her hijab when she was in public. She would occasionally take it off in our home but scurry to put it back on when my husband got home. One day when we got home we found out that our kids had climbed all over her while she was doing her prayers. We were mortified. They knew better but had chosen to ignore what they knew. It was a hard and good point of learning to say they were sorry, as well as talk to them about respect and love.

    • Rachel Pieh Jones
      Rachel Pieh Jones March 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm - Reply

      Marilyn thanks for sharing this too. Thinking of children brings up such interesting things. Here, as an uncovered woman, sometimes I dread walking by groups of kids because of how they react to me. I’ve had some really negative interactions with kids and would love to have one of their parents step in, like you or like J.R.’s story. We have had other adults, like neighbors or teachers, people who see what is happening, step in, so that is good. So important to train the next generation well, isn’t it?

      • Marilyn March 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm - Reply

        I so relate with this. I remember once being surrounded by a crowd 2 feet thick in Pakistan and wanting to weep – thankfully someone did step in. But yes – have had other times where I bore the brunt of the reaction to our culture’s reputation overseas. And it aches. Also changes us to advocate for those who are ‘different’. I am eternally grateful I found your blog 🙂

  3. idelette March 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm - Reply

    Beautiful, Jess! I can’t agree more: “… being friends with people makes it difficult to objectify them.”

  4. mpieh March 27, 2013 at 4:34 pm - Reply

    Thank you, thank you…loved reading this! I believe one of the most valuable things parents can do for their children is to expose them to people and ideas that are “different”…and help them discover that “different” does not automatically equal “bad.”

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  6. Zahra Tootonsab July 24, 2013 at 10:55 pm - Reply

    This story is amazing, I am bursting with excitement to know that people with different cultures and religions are understanding each other and living with each other. Truly being friends with one another is the key for love and acceptance! LOVE THIS!!!

    • Rachel Pieh Jones
      Rachel Pieh Jones July 25, 2013 at 5:31 am - Reply

      Thanks Zahra!

  7. Corey August 29, 2016 at 10:41 pm - Reply

    I found this story searching for ways to teach my almost 2-year old about the hijab. We saw 2 women wearing hijab at target in Austin, TX this weekend and my son was so intrigued. He kept saying, “Ladies, hats! Ladies, hats!” I wasn’t really sure what to say and didn’t want to offend them. I told him yes, they wear headscarves like a hat. I wish I’d had courage to introduce myself and my son to them so we could ask them about their “hats” and they could tell him the proper terminology, as I’m still a little unsure.

  8. Michelle March 29, 2017 at 6:25 pm - Reply

    CHOOSES. CHOOSES. Any idea of the penalty, the honor violation, if the woman “chose” to NOT wear a hijab. You’re an idiot and are doing a disservice to all the women who are literally ENSLAVED in muslim countries.

  9. Michelle March 29, 2017 at 6:29 pm - Reply

    Washington Post Article of Muslim Women who want the actually CHOOSE https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/?utm_term=.b8fd6e1d1dd4

    Today, in the 21st century, most mosques around the world, including in the United States, deny us, as Muslim women, our Islamic right to pray without a headscarf, discriminating against us by refusing us entry if we don’t cover our hair. Like the Catholic Church after the Vatican II reforms of 1965 removed a requirement that women enter churches with heads covers, mosques should become headscarf-optional, if they truly want to make their places of worship “women-friendly.”

    Fortunately, we have those courageous enough to challenge these edicts. In early May 2014, an Iranian journalist, Masih Alinejad, started a brave new campaign, #MyStealthyFreedom, to protest laws requiring women to wear hijabs that Iran’s theocracy put in place after it won control in 1979. The campaign’s slogan: “The right for individual Iranian women to choose whether they want hijab.”

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